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Empathy Experts:  Video and Links:  Frans de Waal

One of the most influential people in the study of empathy is the Professor of Primate Behavior, Frans de Waal. See links to videos and articles about him and his work below.
 

Frans de Waal      

 

Professor of Primate Behavior at Emory University.
Director of Living Links Center at the
Yerkes National Primate Research Center
 

Author: The Age of Empathy (preview)
    Read an excerpt from the first chapter

 

 


Frans de Waal, author of The Age of Empathy
(Society becoming more empathic, Supreme Court example, from maternal care,
Oxytocin, cross species empathy, conservatives see Social Darwinism, competition v. empathy, degrees of empathy in many animals).


 

Nature's Lessons for a Kinder Society (Clips 1-9)
A conversation between Frans de Waal and Carl Zimmer of Discover magazine.

  • 1: Chimpanzees, aggression, and reconciliation

    • How did you begin looking at animals as peace makers?

      • The scientific discussion was previously all about aggression.

      • Only 5% of the time there's conflict in chimpanzee society

      • He started studying animal reconciliation

    • In book you show examples of animal empathy and caring -?

      • He observes the animals

      • Watched Consolation behavior

      • Study: Carolyn Waxler?? Wisconsin - empathy in children,

        • 1 year olds show empathic reaction

      • dogs, cats, dolphins show empathy

  • 2: Cucumbers versus grapes—and the idea of fairness

    • How do you run experiments?

      • First started just watching

      • Created systematic studies in a monkey/chimp lab

      • Did animal fairness experiments - mammals value fairness

  • 3: The origins of empathy in maternal care

    • The evolution of human empathy - what forces shaped it's development?

      • maternal care

      • there's a need for females to care for offspring

      • oxytocin mediates empathy

      • a maternal hormone

      • spray it in your nose and you become more trusting

    • Why is there an expansion of empathy to group members, etc.?

      • Reciprocity - I do you a favor - you do me a favor

      • Kin selection -

      • Altruism kin bias -

      • Sex - has it's own motivator - like empathy is a motivator

  • 4. Alpha male to the rescue

    • Why are primates more emphatic and how did it evolve?

      • all these mechanisms are in other animals as well

      • some animals add to it, apes, dolphins, elephants - a curiosity - perspective

      • seems to be levels of empathy

      • Story: of Alfa male chimp saving the life of a choking baby ape

  • 5. The neuroscience of compassion

    • How does the neurology work?

      • Studies: with MRIs show  shared pain humans

        • Jon Decity - Chicago

        • Tania Singer - Germany

      • There's an 'other distinction mechanism' so you can separate yourself from others pain

      • distinguish your pain from my pain, perspective taking

      • recognizing yourself in the mirror

  • 6. Empathy as a physiological response

    • Do we have the same empathy as apes?

      • humans are very good at perspective taking

      • you can empathize with a novel character

      • empathy is involuntary bodily experience

      • Study: Swedish scientist  Linberg? said empathy reactions are faster than we are aware of

        • People used to think people decided to be empathic

        • Linberg? flashed faces on computer screen

        • flashed subliminal faces, (people felt the mood in the faces)

  • 7. Good Samaritans in a hurry

    • If empathy is deeply ingrained in humans, why is there so much contention?

      • we are also selfish, etc.

      • how is it turned off and on?

      • regulation of empathy? 

      • Study: seminary students rush to tell good Samaritan story

        • greater pressure the more they ignore the suffering person

  • 8: Social Darwinism and the lessons of evolution

    • What about Social Darwinism?

      • a lot of it in USA?

      • promoted by Herb Spenser - justifies the strong dominating the week

      • evolution produced animals that live in society

    • From studies - how should society be structure?

      • ecological niches

      • what is human nature? family, empathy, competitive, etc

      •  Jeff Skilling,  structured Enron around fear and greed

      • take the nature of the beast into account - humans are more than greed and fear.

  • 9. The dark side of empathy

    • Empathy is the capacity to resonate with others

    • Can be used for competitive purposes of by a torturer.

    • Bernie Madoff - psychopath has perspective taking but not emotional aspect

    • 1 or 2% of people are psychopaths



A slide show about the book: The Age Of Empathy


 




Science Saturday: Like Animals - A Conversation between Frans de Waal & David Berreby


 

  • Frans’s latest book, “The Age of Empathy” (04:11)

    • David Berreby - Author: Us and Them

    • Frans de WaalI - Primatologist - Emory U.

    • Book Discussion - 'The Age of Empathy' 

    • What's your response to Haiti?

      • More Empathic response to seeing body, pains, more than words.

      • there's unnecessary antagonism between science and religion

      • Dostoyevsky - without god everything is possible

    • Why is understanding ourselves scientifically not a threat?

      • some people say all bad comes from nature

      • act like animals, kill each other, etc.

      • there's a lot of love, affection, etc, share it with animals

  • Empathy as a social contagion (06:54)

  • What about biological tendencies?

    • Humans have tendencies that can be strengthened or weakened

    • religion can not install empathy in humans

    • animals have natural inborn tendencies.

    • can't train a cat to catch a stick

    • Morality - modifies human nature

  • What are basic human capabilities and nature?

    • basic form of empathy,

    • a baby cries when another baby cries. (it empathizes with it.)

    • emotional contagion -

      • hear a sad story - you feel sad

      • hear  happy story - you feel happy

      • we copy body feelings

      • mice, dogs, chimps, etc do it

    • Animals support other members of the group?

      • chimps help old, injured, etc

      • plenty of nasty aspects to animals, like humans

      • story of young chimp with rope around the neck

        • more than simple empathy - perspective taking

  • A biological basis for morality and soccer hooliganism (18:48)

    •  Some say, doing good is going against our nature?

      • morality is seen as overcoming our nature

      • actually we have both inherently

    • Emotional contagion - the army marching together?

      • Synchrony is important, birds, herds, etc.

      • Synchrony - joy of marching together

      • Study: speed dating mimicking others

      • Marketers starting to use it.

      • Study: even works with humans and monkeys

      • in a pop concert all moving in the same way shows unity

    • Synchrony can work against empathy?

      • Synchrony and joy of belonging  - excluding others

    • Bishop More: in marines, got pleasure in being part of army and marching

    • Religion, etc, can cut off empathy in different ways?

      • Book: Age of Empathy  explores,

        • similarities  between human and animal empathy,

        • and where it comes from - evolutionary

      • Need to address how empathy is regulated, turned off and on?

        • empathy is largely in-group phenomenon

        • how do we turn it off?

          • dehumanization

          • objectify

          • why do we sometimes do it and sometimes not

    • Sometimes it's hard to turn empathy off?

    • Gerbils complained Germans were not vicious enough to Jews?

      • empathy is enemy of hatred.

      • Story of Israel politician having empathy for Palestinian

      • empathy, is only way to bring people together.

    • You must suppress empathy to do war? reason is saying kill, feeling says I don't' want to?

      • Question is how do you structure society.

      • Healthcare debate is example.

        • some say - take care of only yourself

        • need to turn off your empathy to say things like that

      • Human nature is not like that

    • Do animals regulate their empathy?

      • Create bonds of empathy - see the similarity to the person or animal

      • Story - chimp group split and the started fighting

        • did it without language

        • previous empathy was lost after the split

    • Humans have my groups and they overlap?

    • Stories of in-group to out groups?

      • Stories of France soccer groups

    • Studies of soccer hooligans - in and out groups?

  • Does religion have to be at war with science? (12:48)

    • Do you need a religious doctrine to be compassionate?

      • religions are quite completive., cases as many problems and solve

      • religion amplifies qualities we already have

      • religion didn't invent morality

    • Is religion part of evolution?

      • humans all over the world create religions

      • literalism is a problem

    • What is meant by religion?

    • Religion is the rational explanation of what we do?

      • science and religion antagonism is not good

      • explaining life and religion as inspiration of life

    • Science v Religion - as in and out group?

      • without god we would have morality - in not accurate

      • morality (empathy, reciprocity, fairness)  is found in human kingdom

      • monkeys like fairness

    • Imagined groups, their in our head? family, nation, parties, etc.

  • The fragility of empathy (04:08)

    • Challenge of our time, empathy comes and goes?

    • In and out groups can change quickly?

      • animals also have that also

    • Behavior becomes autonomous from why it evolved? i.e. empathy for whales

  • Enron, the selfish gene, and Nazi pseudoscience (08:14)

    • What should I do?

      • move away from idea that nature is all about competition,

      • we are selfish and empathic

    • Story of Enron and selfishness?

      • CEO - Skilling believed in selfish gene metaphor


Percontations: Humanity’s Primate Heritage - Discussion Frans de Waal & Jeffrey Schloss.

  • Human nature, primate nature, animal nature (05:20)

    • Frans de WaalI - Primatologist - Emory U.

    • Jeffrey SchlossEvolutionary Biologist - Santa Barbara

    • Humans are primates, lots of similarity to other animals

    • We are different in degree from other animals

    • We have continuity with other animals -

    • Iceberg metaphor 90percent same - under water

  • What’s so special about human empathy? (07:40)

    • We share warm capacity with animals, like empathy.

    • Animals have attachment, cooperation, empathy

    • Parental care

    • Capacity to care

    • Grief at disruption of bonds

    • Care outside kinship

  • Why not have sex at every opportunity? (04:28)

    • sex is an independent motivation

    •  same as altruism -

    • can be used outside of the original reason it evolved.

    • i.e.. dolphin rescue human swimmers

    • altruism didn't evolve in dolphins for that purpose

  • The “altruism is a meme” meme (07:59)

    • wide spread altruism.

    • is altruism based on memes?

    • evolution - genetic level and memes level?

    • Waal - altruism is almost always based on empathy

    • Altruism uses biological mechanisms - versus religious, etc

    • Forgiveness - animals have makeup capabilities

  • Can you live a morally good life solely on the basis of religion? (15:17)

    • Religious people may say: If there is no god you can do anything?

      • do you trust someone that thinks like that

      • ideology can cause much negative

      • feelings are fleeting - beliefs can constrain

    • In war - the empathy capabilities were suppressed

      • how difficult is it to kill

      • deep down we have inhibition to kill

      • deep down it violates our humanity

    • Jeffrey Schloss is religious - try's to make a case for moral structure/reason/

    • Frans de WaalI - is not religious

    • People think that evolution throws religious and morality  out the window

    • Religion amplifies the basic moral system - i.e. fairness tendencies

    • people misunderstand evolution and think it stands for selfishness

  • Is morality a self-deception? (11:26)

 

Frans de Waal at ASC




 

Monkey See, Monkey Give
monkeys helping each other out, or not.


 

 2010-08-04 - Primatologist Frans de Waal on the evolution of empathy
"World-renowned primatologist FRANS DE WAAL has spent years studying chimpanzees, bonobos, and capuchins.  While he has witnessed plenty of selfish and aggressive behavior, he has also watched primates cooperate, resolve conflicts, share food, laugh, and help each other.  De Waal argues that these interactions show that empathy, altruism, and morality are hard-wired in the primate brain – including the human primate brain." Listen to the mp3

2010-02-02 -  Frans de Waal - I Have Seen My Shadow, and It's Human!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frans-de-waal/i-have-seen-my-shadow-and_b_446894.html 

After many of such tests it has now been concluded that, yes, primates other than humans love to help each other. They do care about the welfare of others as much as humans do, which is to say, some of the time.

This has implications for modern human society, because all too often politicians start from the assumption that society needs to be structured around competition, given that this is how nature works. Their dismal, inaccurate view of the natural world thus informs their view of human society. Too bad if some people have no health insurance, so the argument goes, so long as those who can afford it do. Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona went one step further by voting against coverage of maternity care, because, as he explained, he had never had any need for it himself.

I feel that we should hold Senator Kyl and others of his species aloft in the glaring daylight and see what their shadow tells us. If they don't see the sun soon, there will be a never-ending winter.

2009-10-15 - Learning Empathy From Apes
Maureen Cavanaugh radio show.

 

2010-01-00 -  Frans de Waal.- The Evolution of Empathy
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/greatergood/2010/january/De_Waal.php
Empathy's not a uniquely human trait, explains primatologist Frans de Waal. Apes and other animals feel it as well, suggesting that empathy is truly an essential part of who we are.

Once upon a time, the United States had a president known for a peculiar facial display. In an act of controlled emotion, he would bite his lower lip and tell his audience, "I feel your pain." Whether the display was sincere is not the issue here; how we are affected by another's predicament is. Empathy is second nature to us, so much so that anyone devoid of it strikes us as dangerous or mentally ill.

At the movies, we can't help but get inside the skin of the characters on the screen. We despair when their gigantic ship sinks; we exult when they finally stare into the eyes of a long-lost lover.

2009-09-22 - Interview: American University Radio. 
 Read it here or listen with Real Player.

 

2009-09-xx - Article - By Frans de Waal -  Bodies in Sync
http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/features/251555/sept
Contagious laughter, yawns, and moods offer insight into empathy’s origins.
That is where empathy and sympathy start—with the synchronization of bodies—not in the higher regions of imagination, or in the ability to consciously reconstruct how we would feel if we were in someone else’s “shoes.” And yet empathy is often presented as a voluntary process, requiring role taking, higher cognition, and even language. Accordingly, most scholarly literature on empathy is completely human centered, never mentioning other animals. As if a capacity so visceral and pervasive could be anything other than biological! To counter such widespread views, I decided to investigate how chimpanzees relate to and learn from one another.


2009-10-19 - FRANS DE WAAL - Our Kinder, Gentler Ancestors
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574449012560741086.html

Ardi casts doubt on the notion that we have an innate killer instinct
Are humans hard-wired to be ruthlessly competitive or supportive of one another?

The behavior of our ape relatives, known as peaceful vegetarians, once bolstered the view that our actions could not be traced to an impulse to dominate. But in the late 1970s, when chimpanzees were discovered to hunt monkeys and kill each other, they became the poster boys for our violent origins and aggressive instinct.  ....
The empathy literature on animals is growing fast, and is no longer restricted to such anecdotes. There are now systematic studies, and even experiments that show that we are not the only caring species. At the same time, we are getting used to findings of remarkable human empathy, such as those by neuroscientists that reward centers in the brain light up when we give to charity (hence the saying that "doing good feels good") or that seeing another in pain activates the same brain areas as when we are in pain ourselves. Obviously, we are hard-wired to be in tune with the emotions of others, a capacity that evolution should never have favored if exploitation of others were all that mattered.
 

2009-10-10 - Article - By Frans de Waal -  Morals without God
http:/www.huffingtonpost.com/frans-de-waal/morals-without-god_b_316473.html  
Without God, we will live like animals!
After listening to the debate between Bill O'Reilly and Richard Dawkins, it struck me again that the resistance to evolutionary theory largely stems from the illusion that without God there can be no morality. Some believers feel threatened by evolutionary theory not because the theory is right or wrong -- the evidence doesn't seem to matter much to them -- but because accepting it would mean accepting that we have been created by natural processes including our morality. The final part is what bothers them the most.

2009 - How Bad Biology Killed the Economy
http://www.thersa.org/fellowship/journal/features/features/how-bad-biology-killed-the-economy
An unnatural culture of greed and fear has brought the global economy to its knees. We need to start playing to our pro-social strengths, says Frans de Waal. The CEO of Enron - now in prison - happily applied ‘selfish gene’ logic to his human capital, thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Assuming that the human species is driven purely by greed and fear, Jeffrey Skilling produced employees driven by the same motives. Enron imploded under the mean-spirited weight of his policies, offering a preview of what was in store for the world economy as a whole.

2007-01-17 -  Frans de Waal - The Selfishness of Giving
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frans-de-waal/the-selfishness-of-giving_b_426414.html
The predominant opinion used to be that humans are rational profit-maximizers. Society was built around this principle, with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan as its political champions. Biology supported it, by talking of "selfish genes," which some mistook to mean that we must by definition be selfish, too. Greed was good....

In the meantime, primatologists were debating altruism, too, and found the same or similar empathy and altruism outside of our own species. Monkeys and apes sometimes take great risks to help each other, for example against predators (chimps in the forest defend each other against leopards) or enemies (females defend each other against violent males). Chimpanzees spontaneously share food with each other, and in recent experiments it was found that primates will secure rewards for others even if this does not benefit themselves in any way. Since they didn't need incentives to do so, it is possible they were doing it for some internal reward. Perhaps other primates, too, derive pleasure from giving.